A gay person who still wants to attend church, after the way the church has treated the gay community, I'm telling you, they have more faith than I do, they have more faith than a lot of you.

What's not loving is to look someone in the eye when God says they are in jeopardy of an eternity in hell and nearly wink and nod at their sin because you're afraid of being called mains.

It's time for wretched radio with Tom Friel.

Hello, hello, welcome and to wretched radio.

It is Wednesday here and you know, that means that Todd is out on the campus somewhere. He's ditched the studio and first up, he's at the University of Georgia where he'll go ahead and let you in.

That's where we're going to start out today.

And well, you know, he's looking for some students to talk with because academia is kind of like the Serengeti for the logical discussions if you haven't realized that yet.

He's out there with his bibles, got a microphone, camera crew with him and he's just trying to find some students to say, hey, look, I'm not as scary as I look, talk to me.

So now we don't know exactly who he's talking to, but he has been having a conversation with somebody and we're going to jump right into that right now at the University of Georgia.

This is a witness Wednesday on wretched radio.

So you said earlier that sin is the payment that you pay once you go against God's law, God's word, right? That's breaking a law.

Yes, sir. So my question to you is, how is it any way just for a brief 100 year stint on earth for a eternity in punishment?

Because that to me as as someone who is involved in active in reform for criminal justice, the crime does not match that.

Ah, that's a good observation. Let me see if I can shed some light on that. All right.

I want you to imagine that I lie to my son. Do you know what's going to happen to me from what perspective?

Nothing. Nothing's going to happen because I'm an authority, right? And he's smaller and he doesn't have any power.

Imagine I lied to my wife. Do you think there might be a consequence? Yeah, beyond the couch.

Exactly right. I'd be on the couch. All right. Let's keep going. Okay. I lie to my boss. Could I get fired? Sure. All right. Now let's imagine I lie to the government.

Okay. Could I possibly be put in jail? Yes. You could. All right. No. Follow this. Okay. I committed the same crime with each entity.

But the punishment increased each time. Why? Well, that depends on what you lie about.

If you lie to your son about there being Santa, yeah, you're going to get away with that for about 10 years.

But if you lie to the government about selling secrets to international enemies, then yeah, that's a serious crime.

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