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Welcome to We Have Ways with me, Al Murray and James Holland. As we drift into the autumn, Jim, we thought we'd do some war waffle, basically. Old school war waffle. Old school war waffle after an epic Battle of Britain series. And in the wake of We Have Ways Fest, of course. By the way, we recorded this before the festival. So any references to how amazing the... But it was brilliant, wasn't it?

But it was absolutely brilliant.

I tell you.

Some of the conversations I had on the Saturday afternoon were really, you know, the quality

of the punter.

Oh, it was just lovely seeing all those people, wasn't it?

Yeah, it was fantastic.

And after we did our Douglas Bada episodes,

Anatomy of a Hero, which I enjoyed enormously, I've gone back to reading, reach for the sky, right?

Now, oh yeah, go on. And how is it? Is it full of hyperbole? Well, there's a really, one thing that

really made me laugh. Yes, I was in a car going to someone.

I was really laughing.

And the driver must have thought what's going on here, right?

So, reach for the sky.

It's not a thin tome.

It's kind of 400 pages.

Yeah, yeah.

I know it's about, it's about Douglas Bada,

the legless aerobatic war hero pilot,

who of course, as we know, is shot down. It's a really funny bit when Bada... Bada is brought from one of the POW camps to a tribunal where they're basically... He escapes from a hospital. So the Germans put the people in the hospital on trial, right? And there's a bit where he thinks he's got a Belgian man servant or something that has been given. And he says, this is going to be, this is just shows, shows how this book is making me hysterical.

It's a bit, Bardur turns to the servant and says,

...