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If you want to join us, 866 Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun gun that's our number so there are people I get to work

with that I get to know that I then often get to be friends with and so those folks are just good

people and our next guest is as one of those Jeff Hoffman from Black Hills Ammunition joins us right now. Hey, Jeff, glad you could be here. Hey, Tom. Good to be with you again. So I call you an hour or so ago, and I said, well, we're going to do this show. I just wanted to touch base with you. And before you know it, you and I are off to the races, and we're talking for 15 minutes about guns and ammo and everything else. I said, wait, wait, wait, we need to save this to get on the air, man. Yeah, well, when you're enthusiastic about something, it's hard to hold a bat. All right, for those who don't know, Black Hills Ammunition, you're in South Dakota.

You've been making ammo for how many years now? God's got to be 30 years? Oh, about 43.

Holy cow. Forty-three years. A lot, and you make really fine ammo. I always tell people if your

rifle, your pistol won't shoot with Black Hills Amble, you've got a problem with your gun. But the reality is, and I'd like for you to talk

about this for just a little bit, probably the majority of what you do actually doesn't go

on the commercial market. It actually goes to the military and sometimes to little small units

that go special places.

Is that fair?

Yeah, we've evolved to that. We started off as a loader of remanufactured, what some people call

reloaded ammunition. We started off with that, and we grew, and the commercial market grew, and then at one point,

we had an opportunity to pursue a military bid, kind of an interesting story, and we surprised

ourselves, and we won that bid for marksmanship unit, and then within three years, we had

all of the marksmanship unit business

for 556. And then after that, the military kept coming to us for other stuff. And that was 96 when

we got won our first military bid. And we've just continued to grow it since then.

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