Backlash & in Heels (with Abraham Josephine Riesman)
The Next Level
The Bulwark
4.9 • 2.4K Ratings
🗓️ 23 April 2023
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
Abraham Josephine Riesman, author of The New York Times bestselling book, Ringmaster, joins Tim and JVL to talk WWE wrestling and the latest attacks on trans Americans from the right.
Plus, Tim and JVL talk the $5 million Mike Lindell has the pay for his disproven election fraud claims.
Watch the gang record this episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0u9_tuy9V4
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Bullwork Next Level Sunday show I'm Tim Miller here with my BFF Jonathan V. Last. |
| 0:17.1 | We've got a great guest today. Abraham Josephine Reisman. Josie wrote a book about Vince McMahon and the parallels between |
| 0:25.9 | wrestling and politics. It is so good. It was mentioned by a previous guy |
| 0:31.4 | Schuero Diaz as the book he was reading and J. V. was |
| 0:33.0 | reading and JVie and I are big wrestling people so we had to get Josie on. I will tell you |
| 0:38.0 | even if you don't know anything about wrestling A this is a great book to read because it's really about culture and B, it's still a good |
| 0:45.2 | podcast because we get a lot into trans and LGBTQ politics. Josie is trans. |
| 0:51.2 | We also get into Donald Trump and his relationship with wrestling. It's going to be |
| 0:54.7 | really good. The book, by the way, is called The Ringmaster, Vince McMahon, and The Unmaking of America. |
| 1:00.0 | But before we get to Josie, JBL, you had a little triad this week on Mike Lindel, and he's got some |
| 1:05.8 | W. W. W. E. Viby vibes about him. |
| 1:08.0 | He sure does. I mean, he looks like Paul Bearer, to start with. |
| 1:11.0 | And he looks like a slightly slimmer pallbearer. And Mike Lindell, about a year and a half |
| 1:17.8 | ago when he was doing his big, do you remember his big confab where he was going to give the information to show everybody how the |
| 1:23.9 | election was hacked and he presented data that he claimed proved unconrovertibly that the Chinese |
| 1:30.6 | had hacked the election for Joe Biden Biden and he said he would give five |
| 1:34.9 | million dollars to anybody who could prove him wrong and so one guy, one guy who was |
| 1:41.8 | a computer forensics expert who was a Trump supporter and Trump voter. |
| 1:46.0 | Looked at this data, this is garbage, and he submitted a proof, you know, he sent in a big like, you know, hey look, Mike, this is, I'm sorry, this is, this guy was there because he really wanted it to be true. |
| 2:00.0 | And so he submitted a proof and said this is not on the level none of this stuff shows what you say it shows. |
| 2:05.6 | And this is the equivalent every once in a while there would be in wrestling like the gimmick where |
| 2:09.7 | and this is more in the old days. |
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