Across the UK, online, on DAB and on your smart speaker, the Independent Republic of Mike Graham on Talk Radio.

Good morning, welcome to the Independent Republic of Mike Graham right here on Talk Radio.

It is, of course, we are to uh all sorts of good things here

uh i came into work this morning thinking i know we've got the second lockdown going on i know

whatever is happening because it's going to be very quiet out there as i looked into the foggy

london stream which is known as the river thames i thought i wonder where everybody's gone

maybe they've all decided not to go out today because the lockdown is upon us.

However, it turns out that that's not actually the case because as I drove into work,

all the same school kids were standing by all the same bus stops,

all the same buses were running into all the same traffic jams,

all the same people were going down into the tubes to see what was going on and filling those tubes to go to work. When I parked the car in the multi-storey car park, I parked in exactly the same place that I

always park in because the previous five levels are always very busy.

I walked in from there past dozens and dozens of people who were all going to work in

exactly the same way they were on Tuesday and Wednesday.

So what exactly is this lockdown all about?

Is what I find myself asking.

We're gonna be speaking to Tory rebel Tim Lauten coming up

to find out what he makes of it all.

Because quite frankly, if all these people are still doing

exactly what they were doing,

this is actually really a lockdown.

And if it is really a lockdown,

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