I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about reality dating shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a show about monotone, square-jawed white men we are repeatedly told, exorbit to believe are the epitome of desirability.

That's right, the Bachelor is back with new leading man Zach Schalchross, really the human form of that reductrist headline, is he cute or is he just tall and white?

In other words, just exactly what the Bachelor producers look for in a man here to join us to discuss the season 27 premiere of The Bachelor is Darren Carp, Bravo personality and host of Shaken and disturbed, also like a personal friend and favorite.

I love to see it guest Darren, welcome back.

Thanks for having me Darren Schalchross this episode, so I will be ready to discuss all things white and tall ladies today.

I am ready. Thanks for having me.

I just want to preface this by saying that when we asked Darren to come on the pod, her response was, Zach makes me glad I'm gay.

True story. No hesitation in my voice whatsoever when you text me.

Zero.

But after this episode, like you're warming up to Zach, right?

Like, you're like, I kind of wish I were straight.

It's the weirdest thing.

As they say in England, my Fanny Fluttered, I think, a little bit just knowing he was that tall and better, very tall person.

Very tall. And Darren, I don't know if you've heard his parents, they're still married.

Oh, they're still married.

Yeah.

I don't have something to be desired because these days, you know, I mean, wow.

Like, that's the definition of success.

If I just know intellectually that a man is probably tall in person and he has married parents, like, that's all I need to know.

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