So we hear that you have had some one-on-one experience with our Bachelor Ben Higgins.

Yes, that is true. I have.

Welcome to Here to Make Friends, a half-post podcast about the Bachelor franchise,

where we lovingly snark on the Bachelor and Bachelor adjacent shows.

Whether you love the Bachelor or love to hate it, we're here to break down every single

delicious moment with you. I'm Emma Gray and I'm Claire Fallon.

So at the top of the episode, you heard an excerpt from a very interesting phone call we had last night.

We have a bit of intel that could change the way you think about Ben H. But first, let's recap.

On today's episode, we'll discuss running through the Hall's Ben's High School,

going to lunch class and having your smell analyzed on national television, plus lace.

And we're joined by Kate Dries, managing editor of Jezebel.

Thanks for joining us, Kate. Thanks for having me, guys. So let's just get into last night.

We started with a gratuitous shot of Ben in his box or briefs.

I feel like they were trying to do a little bit of recall to Sean.

They've also the same effect. I feel like they've been getting a lot of feedback,

like more of Ben shirtless, but like it just kind of, this is like, I have like a brother who's

around Ben's age. That's making you personally uncomfortable. Yeah, I'm like, oh, it's like an

sort of awkward tall, like, you know, kind of slightly doughy guy. Yeah, I don't think there's

anything. I mean, I mean, whatever he wants to do is chill by me, but I wouldn't say that it's really

like, ooh, every time it happens. I do think this time there was like a lot of weird stuff happening,

when he's like putting on his pants and like, it's a lot of like, I don't know, like it was maybe

too much information, I would say. Yeah, look, it's just week two. Like, we're not ready yet.

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