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Woman's Hour

Baby sleep influencers. Christine Dawood, Selena Kay & Cerys Hogg, David Attenborough

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture

4.13K Ratings

🗓️ 5 May 2026

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

A BBC News investigation exposes an unregulated, booming industry of so-called baby sleep influencers or "sleep consultants". Some people who become sleep consultants have relevant medical licenses, but others hold no qualifications and are pushing dangerous practices to desperate mothers, which doctors say risk causing harm. Those women now feel “traumatised” by the advice they’ve been given from "consultants" like these, and “guilty” for putting their babies through procedures they did not need, after paying high fees for the advice. Senior BBC reporter Divya Talwar and Olivia Hinge, NHS midwife and lactation nurse, join Nuala McGovern.

On 18 June 2023,19 year-old Suleman Dawood died alongside his father, Shahzada, and three other men in the Titan submersible as it attempted to dive to the Titanic. They were 500 metres above the wreck when the submersible imploded. It was a horrifying tragedy that made headlines around the world. Christine Dawood has now written a book, Ninety-Six Hours and joins us to talk about what happened during the 4-day search for the lost sub.

It's Sir David Attenborough’s 100th birthday on Friday 8 May, and the BBC has launched a week-long celebration of his work and legacy... so we wanted to take this moment to shine a spotlight on women working in this industry. Sophie Darlington was one of the first female wildlife cinematographers and her work has earned her a BAFTA and an Emmy. She joins Nuala.

KOGG is an experimental electronic duo created by Selena Kay and Cerys Hogg. Both formally trained - Selena has her roots in classical contemporary composition and Cerys in jazz improvisation and art. They combine their skills in composition and improvisation, create new instruments and have developed their own distinctive sound world, from recorded sources. KOGG discuss their sound, their debut album Mechanista and receiving a Women Make Music Grant.

Presenter: Nuala McGovern Producer: Kirsty Starkey

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Hello, I'm Neula McGovern and welcome to Women's Hour from BBC Radio 4.

0:43.3

Just to say that for rights reasons, the music in the original radio broadcast has been removed for this podcast.

0:49.9

Hello and welcome to the programme.

0:52.6

Three years ago, Christy Daywood lost her husband and son

0:56.4

aboard the Titan sub. They were diving to view the Titanic wreck. Christine will be with me

1:02.7

in studio to tell me about her experience that took place over the 96 hours that she waited

1:08.3

with hope and her heart to hear their fate. She has written about it

1:12.4

in a new book. Also this hour, get ready for a sound palette sculpted from sampled audio and

1:19.7

homemade instruments. We have Cog, Selena Kay and Kheris Hogg. They are an experimental

1:24.8

musical duo who are about to release their debut album.

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