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Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

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Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Pushkin Industries

Sports, Business, Society & Culture

4.49.9K Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2019

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Judges now want us to know they’re human. But maybe we’d be better off if we didn’t know.

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0:00.0

Here at Planet Money, we bring complex economic ideas down to Earth.

0:14.6

We find weird, fun, interesting stories that explain the way money shapes our lives.

0:19.5

Inflation, recessions, the price of gas we've got you.

0:22.9

Listen now to the Planet Money Podcast from NPR.

0:30.0

One of the cooler things that's happened in the last few decades

0:33.0

is that scientists have decided that emotions are worth studying.

0:38.4

And they found new ways to study them, not just in people, also in animals.

0:44.3

The guy who's taken the lead with the animals is a Dutch primatologist named Franz DeWall.

0:50.2

You know, emotions are sort of taboo topic. They used to be at least.

0:54.8

And so most of the time we don't explicitly discuss them.

0:58.7

We discuss the behavior that they produce, but not the emotions themselves.

1:04.3

That's DeWall himself. He's Dutch, but works in Atlanta at Emory University.

1:10.0

When he started out, no one thought you could study the emotions of animals.

1:14.8

A lot of people just assume that animals didn't have emotions, and scientists shouldn't care if they did.

1:20.0

But not supposed to talk about mental states or feelings or planning or thoughts or whatever.

1:26.4

And so there was a taboo for 100 years on talking about that.

1:31.9

And it's only in the last 20 years or so that taboo is being lifted and that the more and more

1:38.1

scientists are open about internal states.

1:41.9

Meaning emotions. They so clearly drive behavior in both animals and people.

1:47.6

Which brings me to Professor DeWall's most famous experiment.

1:51.6

I worked with Capuchin monkeys for a long time. We noticed in our lab that the monkeys were always

1:56.9

very keenly watching what somebody else would get. Not just what they themselves get for a task,

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