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Hey, oh, let's go! Hello and welcome to rock and roll politics, the weekly podcast with me, Steve Richards.

Thank you very much indeed for tuning in. Before I begin to reflect on

an extraordinary few days in the drama of the virus and British politics, just to let you know,

a big announcement. The second virtual rock and roll politics, the live show, will be on the

King's Place website at 7 o'clock next Monday. That's

Monday, May the 18th. If you log on just a couple of minutes beforehand, and you can get

straight on it, there will be a virtual rock and roll politics show. It would be the second one.

First half, I'll set the scene and then

the second half will have a discussion in which you can ask questions etc and um it was good fun last

time well i enjoyed i do i know i was told that others did as well so do tune in next monday may

the 18th at 7 o'clock.

When I was watching Boris Johnson's televised address to the nation

and the confused aftermath of that address,

I kept on going back to a conversation that I had with Tony Blair before he became

Prime Minister in 1997.

It must have been, I think, in 1996.

And he said to me that one of the things he did as leader of the opposition was every

now and again he went away and looked at the range of proposals that

Labour were making in the build-up to the 1997 election and that would form the manifesto

and he said to me he would bomb-proof those propositions. He would sit there and ask himself,

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