Since his death in 2009, the world has struggled with how Michael Jackson should be remembered,

as the king of pop or as a monster. The new podcast Think Twice, Michael Jackson,

offers a fresh perspective on the art and the artist, his life, his work, and his legacy.

Listen to Think Twice, Michael Jackson, wherever you get your podcasts.

From wandering campsite media comes season three of the hit podcast suspect.

This is a story of two victims. One murdered in cold blood,

one in prison for a crime he did not commit. Listen to suspect, five shots in the dark,

wherever you get your podcasts, or binge all eight episodes ad free on Wondery Plus.

Welcome to the Nerds Podcast number 436. Wow, that's a lot of podcasts. It really is.

Someday we'll get to 500. Someday pretty soon.

Day by January. I wonder if it's going to coincide with our actual four-year anniversary.

Well, I just think every year we should have Tom on.

Yeah, yeah, I don't I can't with him every year. That is totally fine.

See what senior Arbolitos been up to. One day we'll do like a clip pick. Remember,

we'll pretend we're trapped in an elevator. Remember the time we had this person on.

Chris, why is there a pregnant lady in this elevator?

I don't know. It's a device to get us in and out of the storyline so people are invested

in the wraparounds. You want to watch the best elevator trapped episode? It would be night court.

That was a good one. Yeah, it was a real good one.

Well, let's talk about At Midnight. We have one more week of shows on At Midnight,

following the co-bear report every night tonight. Two and tonight Kurt Brottler,

Grace Helbigum. And guess who else? I can't guess who is it?

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