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The Interview

Azar Nafisi, author: Iranians are fighting for their freedom

The Interview

BBC

News, Politics, Government

4.3537 Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2026

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

'What the regime does to women is even if they don't kill us, when you stop a woman from being herself, stop her from speaking the way she wants to or stop her from connecting, it’s a kind of murder. And so we're fighting for our existence. We're fighting our survival.’

Svetlana Reiter speaks to the Iranian-American writer, Azar Nafisi, about the current instability in the country of her birth as Iranians continue to seek regime change in Tehran.

Born in Tehran in 1956, the story of her life has been greatly shaped by the Iranian Islamic Revolution of 1979, when Nafisi taught English literature at the University of Tehran. She was expelled from the University for not wearing a hijab, and eventually left for the US less than two decades later.

Nafisi is best-known for her New York Times bestseller, Reading Lolita in Tehran, in which she wrote about her experiences under the Islamic regime. The book focuses on a short period before she left Iran in 1997, when she would gather a group of young women at her house one morning every week to read and discuss forbidden works of Western literature.

Thank you to the BBC Russian Service for their help in making this programme. The Interview brings you conversations with people shaping our world, from all over the world. The best interviews from the BBC, including episodes with Russian punk activist Maria Alyokhina, Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales and author Sir Salman Rushdie. You can listen on the BBC World Service on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays at 0800 GMT. Or you can listen to The Interview as a podcast, out three times a week on BBC Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts.

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(Image: Azar Nafisi Credit: Massimo Valicchia/NurPhoto via Getty Images)

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts.

0:06.4

Hello, I'm BBC journalist, Svetlander writer,

0:09.9

and this is the interview from the BBC World Service,

0:13.8

the best conversations coming out of the BBC,

0:18.3

people shaping our world from all over the world.

0:23.1

If you're not a little bit afraid, then you're not paying attention.

0:27.8

We have never seen a people so united.

0:31.4

Do not make that boat crossing. Do not make that journey.

0:34.0

Being born in America, feeling American, having people treat me like I'm not.

0:38.2

We're more popular than populism.

0:42.0

For this interview, I met the Iranian-American writer Azarnefi on Zoom, where she was speaking

0:49.5

from her home in Washington, D.C. Born into a political family in Tehran in 1956, the story of her life

1:00.1

has been greatly shaped by the Iranian Islamic Revolution of 1979. At the time, Nefisi taught English

1:10.4

literature at the University of Tehran, and although initially in favor of deposing the Shah, she came to regret the Ayatollah rise to power.

1:24.4

And although initially in favor of deposing the Shah, she came to regret their yet alas rise to power,

1:35.1

unable to reconcile her own liberal politics with the new conservative, theocratic government.

1:44.6

She was expelled from the university for not wearing a hijab and eventually loved for the

1:51.9

U.S. less than two decades later.

1:55.8

Nefici is best known for her New York Times bestseller, reading Lalita in Tehran, in which she wrote about her experiences under the Islamic regime.

2:06.6

The book focuses on a short period before she left Iran in 1997, when she would gather a group of young women at her house one morning every week

2:17.9

to read and discuss forbidden walks of Western literature.

2:22.0

And nearly 30 years on,

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