So today it's great to have Ion Hirsi Ali on the podcast. Ion is a research fellow at

the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and founder of the AHA Foundation. She has

written several books, including Infidel, No Mad, from Islam to America, a personal

journey through the clash of civilizations, Heretic, why Islam needs a reformation now,

and the challenge of Dala. Her latest book, Prey, was published by HarperCollins in 2020.

In 2005, Ion was named by Time Magazine as one of the hundred most influential people in

the world. Ion, so great to chat with you today.

Scott, thank you very much for having me on.

Well, now you've done, I imagine, quite a bit of podcast interviews for your new book,

and you must be exhausted from talking... Well, first of all, you must be exhausted from

the interviews, but you also must be exhausted telling your story, your life story over and

over and over again. I'd love to... Maybe we can get some new stuff out of you today,

you know? Who knows what's going to emerge? Because I know how it goes with these interviews.

You're a rebel, right? I mean, what I wouldn't really want to understand, and you might

disagree with that characterization as a rebel, and I'd love to hear that. You know, as a psychologist,

and this is the psychology podcast, you know, I'm always very interested in like what the

sort of personality character structure was that led someone to be able to take such stands

as you've taken in your life and to take such unpopular stands that could even put your life

in jeopardy. Were you like really young and child, because I know you were born Somalia,

is that's right? Right. Yeah, I was born in Somalia. What were you like as a really young child?

Were you constantly questioning things, or was that only happening sort of in your teenage years

when you started to question Islam? You know, what were you like earlier than that?

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