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This question is from Peter.

Peter Carr has said, you had an interesting idea I hadn't heard before,

that outflanking your opponent was considered poor form,

cowardly, ungentlemanly and lacking heroic virtue.

So, when did outflanking become a tactical innovation employed with intent?

Okay, gosh.

So indeed, when we look at warfare and the idea, now it's, again, I've said this before, and it's another joke. I'm

going to make it again. It is a Merrill Streep, Alec Baldwin, Steve Martin comedy. It's complicated.

And that is that in Homer, much of the battling and the warfare is fair, and it comes down to the

prowess of the individual as to whether they win or not.

Having said that, of course, you have stratagems and trickery by Odysseus most famously, but others as well.

And the idea of trickery is a really interesting one.

Recently I was reading up about the Battle of Sipaya in 494 BC between Cleomenes and the

Argyves, and he involves a trick which is sort of condemned by Herodotus and Palis

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