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🗓️ 5 January 2023
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Murray answers a question from a 12-year-old fan from Italy, Greg - How many casualties were there really at Magnesia? The Roman sources say 53,000 for the Seleucids and only 350 Romans died. Is This true?
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0:00.0 | Hi everyone and welcome to another episode of ancient warfare answers with me. |
0:08.2 | Murray, I've got a question from Greg today. |
0:11.1 | Hi, I'm a 12-year-old Italian guy, so I'm presuming it's Gregario or Gregorio. |
0:16.3 | But Greg, hi Greg, and I love ancient history and ancient warfare, and I have a question for you, Murray, |
0:21.7 | how many casualties were there at the Battle of Magnesia? How many casualties were there really |
0:26.8 | at the Battle of Magnesia? The Roman sources say 53,000s for the Seleucids and only 350 Romans died, |
0:34.9 | or 349, technically speaking. Is this true? |
0:38.4 | Golly gosh. |
0:39.2 | Okay, wonderful question. |
0:41.7 | Thank you for your question, Greg. |
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0:55.0 | Now, casualty discrepancies in casualty rates are sort of a standard trope of ancient warfare, |
1:03.0 | and they are also a massive problem in the sense that most modern historians don't accept them. |
1:12.6 | Weirdly, though, a lot of the low casualty numbers are very specific. |
1:17.8 | So indeed, as you say, at the Battle of Magnesia, there are indeed a massive discrepancy between the casualties in the Roman forces, 349, and the Seleucid forces, 53,000 dead, as well as 1,400 captured, and 15 war elephants captured. |
1:39.2 | Now, it's a really weird one in the sense that a lot of ancient battles have this massive |
1:45.4 | discrepancy between the winner and the loser. One aspect of that, of course, is that in shield |
1:50.6 | wall warfare of ancient warfare, for instance, if you think about a hoplight battle where one shield |
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