AW133 - Coups, successes and failures

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🗓️ 15 January 2021

⏱️ 56 minutes

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In this episode the Ancient Warfare team are between issues of the magazine, so Mark suggested they discuss coups in the ancient world.

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to another episode of the ancient warfare podcast. Happy New Yearall.
0:06.2	With me today are Mark Ducentis, Lindsay Powell, Mike Cole, and Mark McCaffrey.
0:13.8	Marie Daim has to do parental duties, so he's not here today. It is an in-between episode where we don't talk about the latest issue, but we decided we would talk about coups, and it's perhaps worth mentioning that we decided to talk about this well before various events happened somewhere in the world that we will not discuss further.
0:38.2	We should probably start by discussing what is a coup?
0:42.9	What do we talk about when we talk about coups?
0:46.0	Is it everybody who gets up and says,
0:48.1	now I want the power, in which case there's quite a lot of examples in the ancient world,
0:52.7	but perhaps we can limit it and still
0:54.4	be stuck with a huge amount of examples.
0:57.1	I'll give you a definition per the Webster's dictionary.
1:00.0	A coup of course is a French, coup d'etat, sort of strike at the state.
1:05.5	It's a sudden, violent and illegal, that's the point.
1:07.7	It's an illegal seizure of power from a government. And there's a sort of second dimension to that which is the refusal of the government that's the point so an illegal seizure of power from a government and there's a sort of second
1:11.7	dimension to that which is the it's the refusal of the government that's in power to go after
1:16.4	they've been voted out so it's kind of like it's it's basically a complete breakdown of the
1:21.9	government process yeah so it's an it's an unplanned transition of power or attempted transition of power or a breakdown in a planned transition of power.
1:31.7	Right. In the context of what the legal structure is for the maintenance of that power.
1:36.6	Yes.
1:37.4	So, I mean, technically the institution of a democracy, which I think a lot of us would be in favor of, if a monarchy
1:44.7	had been previously in power would be a coup, right?
1:47.7	Mark, I think you wanted to, Mark DeSantis, wanted to add something to it or not.
1:53.3	I think the thing about a coup is that it's something that has to happen relatively quickly, that it's not a long-term process. That's my
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