Hey Jim Daley here. If you like the focus on the family broadcast and haven't

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today. Thank you for downloading the focus on the family marriage podcast. You

can find more relationship insights at focusonthefamily.com slash marriage

podcast. Somebody observed that the best way to deal with a catastrophe is to

prevent it from happening in the first place and today we're going to discuss

how to guard your marriage from an affair. I'm John Fuller joined by the couple

who's in charge of our marriage department here at focus on the family

Greg and Aaron Smallley and Aaron you do a lot of counseling with the couples

you work with how often does it seem like an affair started off kind of small

and maybe even kind of innocent all the time. So often people will come in and say

you know I never dreamt that this would be mean that I would be capable of

having an affair and honestly John typically it starts you know at work or at

the gym or whatever having those small conversations with the opposite sex

just innocent small conversation but then it leads to a little bit more a

little bit deeper conversation sharing things with them maybe even about your

own marriage and those more emotional things and as well as if there is a

hardened heart involved things aren't going well at home my heart's closed and

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