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The Tikvah Podcast

Avital Levi on Loyalty

The Tikvah Podcast

Tikvah

Judaism, News, Politics, Religion & Spirituality

4.8658 Ratings

🗓️ 30 June 2023

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Loyalty—as a human sentiment, as a moral virtue, as a matrix of decision-making—is the subject of this podcast conversation.

Avital Levi, a postdoctoral fellow at Tel Aviv University and a teacher of Bible and philosophy in Israel, is curious about what keeps nations that are deeply divided together. Conservative Americans dislike liberal ones, and vice versa; and the same goes for Israelis and for the populations of many other nations. So what keeps those nations from descending into civil war? Levi looks at modern philosophical approaches to ethical decision making and thinks they're not fully equipped to answer that question. Instead, she argues, another approach is needed.

This approach begins not by asking what people are support as partisans but whom they stand with as citizens. Loyalty is the quality she thinks is most important here—the moral virtue responsible for belonging and membership, that contours the devotion that people muster to stand with their fellow citizens even when they dislike them. Together, Levi and Mosaic's editor Jonathan Silver discuss what motivated her research into loyalty—and why it matters.

Musical selections in this podcast are drawn from the Quintet for Clarinet and Strings, op. 31a, composed by Paul Ben-Haim and performed by the ARC Ensemble.

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0:00.0

Public affairs are contentious in the great democratic nations, including in Israel and in America.

0:13.2

There's talk in the air of nations coming apart, since parts, parties, tribes, and factions

0:18.5

within disagree fundamentally with one another over the ends of

0:22.5

public policy and the direction of self-government. So why don't they split up? What's keeping

0:27.7

nations together? Actually, alongside the political questions, there's a very deep philosophical

0:32.9

one, too. If Americans on the Red Team and Americans on the blue team feel so repulsed by so much of what

0:39.5

the other side holds dear, what is the force that keeps them together? If Israelis who support

0:45.6

judicial reform and Israelis who oppose judicial reform, each believe that their political opponents

0:51.8

pose an existential threat to the fundamental basis of the regime. Why not

0:56.8

explore ways to separate from them? I think Israelis do not want a civil war, and Americans don't want

1:02.4

one either, or a national divorce or anything of the kind. They are rightly afraid of all the

1:08.3

intended and unintended consequences of what could be unleashed by the

1:12.6

prospect. But can an account be given of why they stand together? As it happens, modern approaches

1:19.8

to the study of moral psychology and ethical decision-making are not fully equipped to answer that

1:25.6

question, for reasons, as we'll see, that have to do with

1:28.7

first-order assumptions that lie at the root of the most popular schools of modern philosophy.

1:34.4

Do you pursue your ends based on the purity of your intentions?

1:38.7

Or do you pursue your ends based on the consequences they bring about?

1:42.4

Those are good questions, but can they offer an adequate

1:45.7

answer to the question of national unity at this moment when that's the very question our

1:51.2

politics put before us? Welcome to the Tikva podcast. I'm your host, Jonathan Silver. My guest today

1:57.4

thinks that another approach is needed, an approach that begins not by asking

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