My guest today is my friend and Lincoln Project Senior Advisor, Trigby Olson.

Trigby is one of the smartest guys in American politics, and I mean that by an order of magnitude.

He has been everywhere, done everything. He has been around this world,

fighting to move countries from autocracy to democracy.

And I don't think necessarily any of us expected we'd be in this fight,

trying to save American democracy even, you know, 10 years ago, but here we are.

There was also maintained, but was called an enemy's list.

Democrats want Republicans dead. I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody.

The women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions.

On January 6 of 2021, you had tens of thousands of people peacefully protesting.

You're the president of the United States. You can de-class if I just by saying it's de-classified.

It's not a right-wing conspiracy theory. It's not queuing on. It's real.

I'm Rick Wilson, and this is the enemy's list.

So today I wanted to have you on the show talk about what you see coming on the horizon.

Not only in like the 30,000-foot view of where this autocratic global movement is headed,

and what they're up to here in abroad, but also to get your view of the upcoming 24 presidential race,

and of course the upcoming U.S. Senate races, which you and I talk about an awful lot,

and I think are actually going to be a really fascinating show in 24.

So with that, Trigg, welcome to the enemy's list.

Well, thank you, Rick. It's good. We're definitely, if I'm going to be on a list of enemies,

I'd be happy to be on it. As McCain said, though, what we have to keep in mind is,

so I'll tell you a story at the outset. So that in about 2005 or 2006, Nikolai Potrashov,

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