What I've been thinking about and I talk a little bit about it in the book is that we have to

counter the dopamine hit of getting something new.

That feeling that you get from something that has a story that has some age to it.

It's not the same as the dopamine hit.

Let those things age and become a part of you and get a story and then you have a different kind of wonderful feeling that you get from it. Oh, Hey everybody I'm your host Stephen Pulverin and this is Hodincky Radio. You know there are certain people who when you meet them you just click with them?

Well this week's guess Pedro Mendez is one of those people for me.

Pedro and I were introduced by a mutual friend, the legendary menswear writer Bruce Boyer, but this is the first time we've had a real extended conversation, anything beyond a few Instagram dims here and there.

Petra's a multifaceted guy. He's an author, he's a podcast producer, he's a journalist, and a whole lot more than that. And as you'd expect, we cover a lot of topics in this episode. We cover everything from menswear and how we both became obsessed with clothes to our love of watches and

specifically Saco to our broader relationship with things and how we value the most

important things in our lives material and otherwise of course.

Pagers is clearly somebody who spends a lot lives material and otherwise of course.

Pager is clearly somebody who spends a lot of time thinking very seriously about these

non-serious things and I'm always a big fan of that.

But there's one more thing special for this week's episode.

Pedro mentioned to me that he's the producer of a podcast that he makes for the

productivity software company at Lassian and that show is called Teamistry and it premieres today the same day that this episode premieres and the first episode of this new season of Teamistry is all about Seaco

specifically it's about their two main manufacturers, the Sua and Dining manufacturers in the mid-century

and how the two of them had this sort of internal competition that created a really unique atmosphere and platform for innovation.

I thought I knew this story.

It turns out I didn't know nearly as much as I thought I knew,

and I think if you're interested in watches,

this is an absolute must listen.

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