Augustine's Debate with Fortunatus the Manichean
Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers
Leighton Flowers
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🗓️ 8 May 2020
⏱️ 138 minutes
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Summary
Dr. Flowers reads through Augustine's debate with Fortunatus the Manichean prior to Augustine's conversion to compatibilistic determinism in order to demonstrate to Calvinists, like James White, that (1) Manichean doctrine opposed the Early Church's teachings on free will, (2) Manichean did appeal to some of the same texts as Calvinists do to support their views of man's innate inability and (3) that this issue preceded the Pelagian controversy.
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| 0:00.0 | For questioning what the Calvinist say |
| 0:04.0 | I'm all for seeing that choose another way. |
| 0:12.0 | I ain't trying to do what everybody else doing, |
| 0:18.0 | just because everybody doing what they all do it's one thing I know I'm |
| 0:24.9 | walking down this road line this wrong to lose me home so am I wrong for thinking |
| 0:33.3 | that a choice and not for you now Now I'm my wrong for thinking we're responsible when we see, but that's just why it's real. |
| 0:47.4 | It's time for the Soteriology 101 podcast, where God is most glorified by his love and provision for all people. Welcome your host. |
| 0:57.5 | The director of apologetics for Texas Baptists and adjunct professor of theology and a local teaching pastor. |
| 1:04.6 | Dr. Layton Flowers. All right, welcome to Sociology 101. So glad that you could join us. And yes, I have |
| 1:13.6 | mowers that showed up about five minutes before I started to broadcast, which is, you know, |
| 1:18.1 | the Murphy's Law. If it's not mowers, it's dogs barking or kids saying, hey, where's dad? |
| 1:25.0 | So it's called all kinds of fun things that will interrupt today. |
| 1:28.3 | But I thought this would be a good program. |
| 1:30.3 | And it's probably going to be a long one because the debate we're going to go through is a long debate. |
| 1:33.9 | So for those who are watching real time, you'll have to endure without using double speed. |
| 1:38.6 | But for those that watch in the future, you can speed things up along if you need as you want to learn. |
| 1:43.1 | Because I think this particular |
| 1:45.1 | debate really helps us to understand the context of Augustine's day with regard to his |
| 1:52.3 | former Manichaean Gnostic roots and how it could possibly have influenced him as a theologian |
| 1:59.2 | himself as a philosopher. He was primarily a philosopher that was, again, this is just facts of the matter, undoubtedly influenced by neo-platinism, by Gnosticism, by stoicism. He was influenced by, of course, Manichianism for a good 10 years of his life. He came from those philosophical backgrounds. And of course, |
| 2:18.3 | those things can have influence. Jeff Durbin did a broadcast, even asking the question, |
| 2:23.6 | are you a Gnostic? Are you a Christian Gnostic? Do you have Christian Gnosticism affected you? And even |
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