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You're in the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

So this week on the Paragast, we digest what Kevin Randall told us last week, particularly about the so-called

UAP whistleblower, David Grush, and what was good and not so good about the things he said.

This week, we're only going to focus partly on UFOs, and we are introducing Ben to Hata Ingram and he tells us here is a musician

and author and he's fascinated by UFO ghosts and hauntings and crypted creatures not necessarily in

that order he also had several books we'll be talking about as we progress.

But to begin with, Ben, before we started up with the show, you said you were, quote,

obsessed with the congressional hearings being held on the subject.

Tell us more.

Yeah, I have followed basically the last five years I've been following all this news very closely.

And the latest hearing, in my personal opinion, was absolutely incredible.

We've never had anything close to that level of real down to what's actually going on in the hearings. There was a hearing last year

where the ARO AARO guys, they basically had every answer was no comment. We don't know about that.

This time was a lot different. I personally think the new whistleblower David Grush is

legitimate. His background checks out completely.

Not only that, he actually has all of the classified information about the names of the reverse engineering programs.

He has the names of people who work in these programs.

He knows what defense contractors are involved, and he knows where

these crashed UFOs are being held. And that's all highly significant. And of course, he was saying

throughout the hearing, like, they're like, well, can you tell us? And he was saying, oh, yeah,

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