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The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

August 3, 2025 — UFO Hoaxes with John Keeling

The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

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🗓️ 3 August 2025

⏱️ 110 minutes

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Summary

Gene and cohost Tim Swartz present skeptical UFO researcher John Keeling, author of "LANDED! The Great British Flying Saucer Hoax & Other Extraterrestrial Spoofs." It asks some important questions: What would we do if aliens landed? Would we offer greetings? Would we panic? Or would we shoot to kill? In 1967, a maverick group of British students wanted to know. As apprentices at Farnborough’s prestigious Royal Aircraft Establishment, they hatched an ingenious and audacious plot to test the authorities; landing multiple flying saucers across the width of England. Not only would "The Great Flying Saucer Hoax" challenge the Police, the Royal Air Force, the Army, and numerous government ministries, it also confronted Ufologists with the scenario they continuously prophesize (and claim to be prepared for). John's book also chronicles many other instances of extraterrestrial spoofing, to examine what such incidents might tell us about our hopes and fears of potential contact. After years of research, John does not embrace the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the phenomenon. John has written for The Fortean Times, and in addition to creating social media content for the East Anglian Astrophysical Research Organisation’s proposed UK SETI project, is completing his next book. He lives on the Essex coast, close to his two daughters. His web site: https://johnkeelingmedia.blog

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0:00.0

You're in the Paracast. You're in the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

0:28.3

And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

0:32.8

So before we get to our main guest, this is John Keeling,

0:37.2

who has a book called Landed,

0:40.3

The Great British Flying Saucer, and Other Extraterrestrial Spoofs.

0:46.3

Now, I'll ask him whether he knows who Jim Mosley was, speaking of spoofing.

0:52.3

We're going to talk about last week's episode, which has become a little controversial,

0:58.0

which I kind of expected.

1:00.2

Ella LeBain.

1:02.0

Now, Ella LeBain is what some people call a Jewish evangelist, which is someone who is Jewish who embraces Christ,

1:10.7

like my wife's late uncle Louis Kaplan.

1:13.2

But that's not the point. The point is she said a few things that were way off the wall

1:19.3

and some things in the after the Paracast podcast, which is for Paracast plus subscribers,

1:25.9

that were really so far beyond the pale I had to stop and correct her.

1:31.3

But some people suggest we should have just cut her off.

1:35.0

Others suggest, well, don't have her on the first place.

1:39.0

And in the history of the paracast, which continues for over 19 years,

1:42.9

we have had some wacky guests on. We let them

1:47.7

talk. We don't constantly interrupt them. But when they say something really beyond the pale,

1:53.4

we take that pale and give them a little fact check, as it were, which we did in this particular

2:00.2

case. I mean, let her talk

2:01.8

about her religious opinions, but when she starts to attack other religions or come up with

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