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Fareed Zakaria GPS

August 22, 2021 |On GPS: The uncertain future of Afghanistan; the world’s response to U.S. withdrawal; the humanitarian crisis in Afghanistan; resiliency through the pandemic

Fareed Zakaria GPS

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4.23.1K Ratings

🗓️ 22 August 2021

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Fareed offers his take on why leaving Afghanistan is still the right decision even amidst the heartbreaking and chaotic withdrawal. But, first, Jim Sciutto opens the show with Afghan natives Rina Amiri, Senior Fellow at NYU’s Center for Global Affairs, and Sami Mahdi, an Afghan journalist, on the future of their home country. Reporting from Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, CNN’s Senior International Correspondent Sam Kiley describes the ongoing troubles there. Then, Rory Stewart, former U.K. Secretary of State for International Development, and Andrey Kortunov, the Director General for the Russian International Affairs Council, join Jim for a discussion about how America’s allies and adversaries are reacting to the Afghanistan debacle. Also, former U.K. Foreign Secretary David Miliband explains to Jim how the Taliban takeover created not just a political-economic crisis but a humanitarian one as well.  Plus, a conversation with Laurie Santos, Professor of Psychology at Yale University and host of The Happiness Lab podcast, about how to train our brains to find happiness amidst these very challenging times.   GUESTS: Rina Amiri, Sami Mahdi, Sam Kiley, Rory Stewart, Andrey Kortunov, David Miliband, Laurie Santos To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is GPS, the Global Public Square. Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world.

0:07.0

I'm Fareed Zakaria. I will be back later with my take and the rest of the show.

0:12.0

But first, let me bring in Jim Sudo, who's here to tackle the latest news.

0:17.0

Thank you, Fareed. And here's what is happening right now inside Afghanistan.

0:22.0

The Taliban takeover has reached the one-week mark and multitudes of Afghans are still trying desperately

0:29.0

to flee their country. Almost 20,000 are now at the airport in Kabul waiting in the brutal sun, hoping they get that golden ticket out.

0:40.0

Secretary Blinken says 8,000 people were evacuated yesterday alone. All countries combined have now evacuated some 26,500 people.

0:50.0

At the Pentagon announced this morning, it had invoked something called the Civil Reserve Air Fleet, which compels US commercial airlines to assist with the evacuation.

1:01.0

Meanwhile, President Biden is expected to talk to the American public again this afternoon about those efforts in Afghanistan,

1:08.0

to see an added 4pm eastern time to see exactly what he has to say.

1:13.0

Let's begin with my first two guests. Sami Madi is a top Afghan journalist who just flew out of Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul.

1:22.0

And Rita Amiri was born in Afghanistan, but has spent most of her life here in the US. She is a foreign policy professional who has worked to help her native country from abroad.

1:31.0

Among other roles, she was an advisor to Richard Holbrook when he was US Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.

1:39.0

Thanks so much to both of you. It's good to have you here. Sami, I wonder if I could begin with you.

1:45.0

Is it as simple as this? That for people like you, journalists as well as for Afghans who worked with the American military and the American government,

1:53.0

that it is a question of life and death to leave to country, to live, you must go. Is that true?

2:01.0

Well, I think it's not just for me and other journalists, civil society activists or the people who work with the US military.

2:11.0

It's a question for over 30 million Afghans on the country.

2:15.0

The panic that you see around the Kabul airport, it shows the fact that people do not see any future under Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

2:27.0

It's just a reminder of 1990s for people. That's why people have panic and try to get out of the country as soon as possible in whatever way possible.

2:39.0

That says a lot about the Taliban and the picture they have been portraying about themselves that they have changed.

2:47.0

So, Rina, if that is true, and it is a consistent message, and I'm hearing it, as many of my colleagues and others are, from Afghans still inside the country about their loss of hope, about their fears for their own safety and their family safety.

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