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The Quanta Podcast

Audio Edition: Heat Destroys All Order. Except for in This One Special Case.

The Quanta Podcast

Quanta Magazine

Life Sciences, Physics, Science

4.7640 Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

Heat is supposed to ruin anything it touches. But physicists have shown that an idealized form of magnetism is heatproof.

The story Heat Destroys All Order. Except for in This One Special Case first appeared on Quanta Magazine.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Quanta Audio Edition. In each of these bi-weekly episodes, we bring you a story

0:09.1

direct from the Quanta website about developments in basic science and mathematics. I'm Susan Vallett.

0:15.6

He is supposed to ruin anything it touches. But physicists have now shown that there is a substance that is truly heat-proof, and

0:24.6

it's an idealized form of magnetism.

0:27.9

That's next.

0:32.2

Quantum Magazine is an editorially independent online publication supported by the Simon's

0:37.1

Foundation to enhance public understanding of science.

0:45.3

Sunlight melt snowflakes. Fire turns logs into soot and smoke. A hot oven will make a magnet lose its pole.

0:53.3

Physicists know from countless examples that if you crank the temperature high enough,

0:59.0

structures and patterns break down.

1:02.0

Now though, they've cooked up a striking exception.

1:05.0

In a string of results over the past few years, researchers have shown that an idealized

1:10.0

substance resembling two intermingled magnets

1:13.7

can, in theory, maintain an orderly pattern no matter how hot it gets. The discovery might

1:20.7

influence cosmology or affect the quest to bring quantum phenomena to room temperature.

1:26.8

Fabi and Reneke is a researcher at the Institute for

1:29.8

Theoretical Physics in Gieson, Germany, who wasn't involved in the work. He says the idea that

1:35.6

such an effect is possible, even if only in theory, hits you in the face because it's not what you

1:41.1

expect. York Schmalion, a physicist at the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology in Germany, is intrigued, too.

1:49.1

He says he's thinking about how to find a concrete realization of this framework.

1:54.2

The discovery was sparked by an audience question at a lecture at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in 2019. Zohar Komar Gottsky,

2:03.9

a physicist visiting from Stony Brook University, had commented that any form of order,

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