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Hi, everyone, from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

This is On with Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher.

Today I'm talking to two people who you probably know very well if you're a news obsessive like me,

Audie Cornish and Ari Shapiro.

Both of them hosted NPR's flagship evening news show all things considered for a decade. Audie left in 2022 to join CNN, where she's now a senior

analyst and host of CNN this morning. Ari is now joined Audi at the network. They've teamed up again

for a new culture podcast that just launched late last month

called Engagement Party. They're not engaged. They're happily married to other people, but they

are very close friends. Every week, they talk about the stories they're most engaged with online,

and the ones that manage to break through are algorithmic silos. I think this is great. I love

people entering this space. I love talking about

culture issues. And of course, I love a nice work couple like Scott and I that are much nicer than

Scott and I. I think it's really important to talk about culture because I think it does lead

into news now in a way. And of course, politics is downstream from culture, as the famous saying by

Andrew Breitbart goes. And they're two really wonderful and interesting people. So it should

work out. And it's really important for smart people to be talking about culture when so many

dumb people are talking about it. All right, let's get to my interview with Audie and Ari. Our

expert question comes from their former NPR colleague, Steve Inskeep. This is a fun conversation, but we also touch on some serious topics like the state of moment you plan and the ones you don't

for the time you forgot your charger at the gate.

Passengers, we are now on our initial ascent.

Or when you're bouncing between projects like a ping pong ball.

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