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Welcome to Spycast, the official podcast of the International Spy Museum.

I'm your guest host, Flora Walshaw, and this week I will take you into the shadows of espionage,

intelligence and covert operations across the globe.

At the CIA headquarters in Langley, you will find Cryptos, a large curved copper panel that holds the letters to four encrypted messages.

The first three messages, K1 through three, was solved in the 90s, but K4 continued to mystify cryptographers for decades.

That is, until Jim Sanborn, the artist, decided to auction

off the plain text and the coding charts that can crack the very code. Bobby Livingston is the

auctioneer who sold Jim Sanborn's private archive just recently for a staggering amount. Bobby, welcome

to Spycast. I know you were here recently for the press conference

regarding the Cryptos auction. Yeah, the press conference at the Spy Museum was fantastic.

We had a lot of media there and the executive director introduced us and so we were very grateful

for that. And there's a lot of excitement about Cryptos. So to get started, how much did you know

about Cryptos before you started this process? I didn't know anything. I didn't know anything about

Cryptos. And I had to learn pretty fast. The first thing is, is that Cryptos is a sculpture that's at Langley

at the CIA, but it's enclosed. The public can't see it. It's part of an art installation that's at Langley at the CIA, but it's enclosed. The public can't see it.

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