Hello and welcome to another episode of iWave with Jermila Jamil. I hope you are well. I am okay. I'm now safely back in Los Angeles and the sun after a hectic couple of weeks in New York mid-election filming like multiple episodes a day for my game show the misery index and it was incredibly fun but very, very scary especially as it was my first time back on set during a pandemic.

If you are someone who's really been properly back to work after a long time away and you're feeling as though you've forgotten everything that you know and you feel almost like a newborn baby in your skill set. Don't worry you're not alone. I think all of us feel really, really rusty.

Just talking, just trying to walk in heels or wearing proper makeup again. I looked like a baby giraffe who was absolutely shit-faced.

So it was an odd time. I'm very exhausted but I'm happy and I'm safe and everyone was safe that we worked with and so I feel very proud of what we were able to achieve given the current circumstances and the numbers in America, my god.

I got to be on the red table talk this week which was a really fun and surreal life pinch me moment and that if you don't know is a show that is hosted by J. DePink at Smith.

And her mother Gammie and her daughter Willow and they are just the most incredible women. They are so smart and so emotionally intelligent, so open, so present.

And yeah, the show to me is a really big deal. I was really, really fucking starstruck when I went there. I felt physically sick all day waiting for the moment that I would step in front of them.

And we didn't really get a chance to meet beforehand, so that was it. That was my only opportunity to warm up with them as when we're already just kind of needy, kind of really deep and serious and pulling no punches conversation.

And when I was growing up going on Oprah in the 90s was kind of the big interview and this felt like the equivalent of that for our generation.

And we talked about what it's like to be a controversial woman online and the double standards of how we treat controversial or you know men who make mistakes versus women who make mistakes and the history of that and the psychology behind it.

And it was really nice to not be completely taken out of context as I normally am in interviews and that's why love having this podcast because I get to talk to you directly and I get to control what you hear.

So that at least if you don't like me or agree with me or approve of me, it's on my fucking terms and we can have some sort of genuine understanding, somewhat of whatever we're discussing on this podcast together.

And then I get your feedback and I read your feedback and I try and make changes according to that and I'm so grateful to you for that.

But if you want to see it, it's on the red table talk at the moment me with Jada and Willow and Gamy and I was so outrageous in my vulgarity that I think Gamy also had a heart attack.

But but in the end we were fine. Anyway, so that was an exciting life moment for me and I know it might be an odd thing to bring up.

But I think it's really important just to especially in these times to hold on to the exciting moments or things that we get to do and I feel mega grateful.

Anyway, this week I have the guest for you. She was the first person I approached when I knew I was going to do a podcast or have a podcast and I said to her that I can't I can't do this without you.

I'm going to need you to be a part of this at some point and she graciously accepted. However, she was very busy at the time finishing her book, which is called what we don't talk about when we talk about fat.

Her name is Aubrey Gordon until now most people on the internet have known and worshipped her as your fat friend, which is at YR FAT FRI END.

And she has kind of positioned herself over the years and we go through her journey in this in this chat, but she positioned herself as a kind of aggressively kind educator and an aggressively empathetic and inclusive speaker online.

She's just the best writer, one of the great writers of our generation, one of the great thinkers of our generation, one of the great humans that I've ever had the great honor and pleasure of coming across.

Honestly, I cannot tell you how much more star struck I am by her than by really any one famous in this world because of the way her mind works.

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