Hello and welcome to another episode of IWay with Jamida Jamil, a podcast against shame.

I thought given how incredibly toxic the world is right now when it comes to diet culture and

making us feel guilty for having dared to eat something on Christmas day with our loved ones,

for having dared to just relax and enjoy a meal. This felt like a good time to bring back

this episode from Aubrey Gordon and Michael Hobbs. They are the co-host of the excellent

podcast The Maintenance Phase, which is largely about debunking a lot of diet culture myths.

And I feel like that's what we need right now, especially with January right around the corner.

I just wanted to arm you with something

that made you feel less gaslit by the world, less pressured.

And I love the way that they tackle everything

with just so much research, so much information and so much. I love and empathy and

and empathy and just the right amount of total and utter rage.

I want to warn you we're talking a lot about fat phobia and

that could be triggering for some people especially right now where a lot of people

feel very bullied at home by their own families I'm so sorry but maybe this is

exactly what you need to hear right now because I think it's very, very galvanizing and just so interesting.

I learned so much in this episode.

It really takes us through the history of diet culture, how it works, all of the pitfalls, how it's designed

to fail and make us feel perpetually just like shit.

I hope you enjoy this.

I think they are both such a delight.

I love their podcast, The Maintenance Phase so much and

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