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Welcome everyone to this episode of Amy and T.J. Presents.

We have been obsessed with this APEAR affair murders trial.

That's what it's been dubbed.

But to catch up, Brendan Banfield, a former IRS

agent, is on trial now. And he is accused of conspiring with his au pair, who he was having

an affair with, to not only kill his wife, but to pin it on someone else. And in order to do that,

according to the prosecution, he and the O'Pair went onto a fetish website to find someone who

unknowingly agreed to be a part of their plan. He thought that he was going to

have a sexual encounter with Brendan Banfield's wife, Christine, in which he was told she

wanted to simulate a rape scene. And the idea, according to prosecutors, was that Brendan would walk in on this

and kill Joseph Ryan and then stab his wife to death, but make it look as though Joseph

Ryan was stabbing his wife to death so that he is the hero, not the murderer. That is basically the

essence of the prosecution's case. And, uh, TJ, we have not been able to stop watching this.

I mean, this is, um, and look, it's a, it's a little cute, I guess, opere affair is what is being

called. But, uh, these are the types of stories that even in Hollywood, they have a difficult time scripting. So let's bring in Allison Treasel, our expert, our legal expert, defense attorney, who's been helping us through a number of high profile cases. And Allison, you're never shy as a defense attorney about telling us in some of these cases, man, that defense attorney,

he really took a stinker of a case. Now, tell me how much of an uphill climb is it for a defense attorney, for the defense attorney who took this case. Okay, first of all, I'm just going to geek out

for one second because, you know, I've been practicing criminal defense forever. And I talk about cases all the

time. And then I watch criminal cases. So like, you know, true crime junkie. Obsessed is an

understatement, Amy. My goodness. This one is, you're right.

I mean, no one could script a story like this and for us to watch it and believe it.

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