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The Athletic. The Phil Hay Show.

Welcome to the show, brought to you by The Athletic and the Square Ball.

Dan Moyland with you from the Square Ball with Phil Hay, of course, from The Athletic.

And you can subscribe to Phil's stuff on The Athletic.

Read it at theathletic.com forward slash leads pod.

Pounder month for six months.

We are twice a week now, by the way.

This is the Monday morning debrief.

We go Monday mornings or thereabouts, fixtures depending, where we look back on the game that's happened at the weekend, and then again, we preview the next game on Friday or thereabout.

So in this case, Phil, we are talking about Aston Villa, the nil-nill-niller, Ellen Road,

but it was more about Stuart Atwell, wasn't it, than about the nil-0?

Can you unpack that game for me?

Because I've kind of struggled to know how to think about it.

I've woke up on Monday morning, feeling just a little bit grumpy about the whole thing.

It's not an easy one to unpack at all.

I felt that after the game.

I feel that this morning as well. It almost feels as if we should interspers this podcast with breaks every

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