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Hey everybody, we got a great one today.

That's because our guest, Adam Surwer, is a writer for the Atlantic Monthly for a change.

Oh wait, we've had a number of Atlantic Monthly writers, George Packer, Frank LeFore, Isaac

DeVier, but unlike Packer and Foyer and DeVier, Surwer, he knows what the hell he's talking

about.

Well, I know this.

I know this because I read his latest book The Cruelty is the Point.

It's a collection of essays from the Atlantic with the theme that, well, The Cruelty was the

point of the Trump administration, whether it was separating little children from their

parents at the border and not actually keeping track of them.

The Muslim ban, making fun of a disabled journalist, telling his crowds that he pay legal fees

of anyone who beat up a protester at one of his rallies, you know, on and on and on.

Trump's a cruel man.

For him, that's a feature, not a flaw.

So now let's go to Adam Surwer.

This guy is really smart.

Adam Surwer and I think you'll get a lot out of this one, you know, for a change.

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