La La La, La, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Ah, la, la, oh, dear friends, and welcome to our show.

It's called Stand to Reason, and I am Greg Cokel, your host.

I'm looking at an article here that I want to read to you

because it magnificently characterizes an understanding that regarding morality and, that I talk about a lot.

And this piece is written by a very fine philosopher who died last year.

His name is Michael Ruse.

He's an atheistic philosopher.

Really fine chap had a big beard and kind of a rotund fellow with a hearty laugh and easygoing.

I actually met him in where does Tim live, Toronto.

And I was doing a TV show there many years ago, but he was also doing the same show but a different episode.

It's called Test of Faith.

And I knew of him because I had quoted him almost 30 years ago now in the book Relativism that I wrote with Frank Beckwith.

And I also quoted him, I think at Street Smarts, on the same issue.

It was a different citation, but it really amounted to what he's talking about in this piece titled,

God is Dead, Long Live Morality.

Now, if you listen to me on this issue at all, you know that there's a contradiction in that statement.

If God is dead, there is no morality.

And the way I have put it in the past, and I think this notion sometimes is hard to sink your teeth into,

but my point was if there are no laws, there can't be any broken laws.

And if there are no broken laws, morally speaking in the world, then there's no problem of evil in the world.

Things may happen that we

don't like, but so what? Who cares? Who should care what we like and don't like if there

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