Welcome to Think Bivocally, Conversations on Faith and Culture, a podcast from Talbot School

Theology Viala University.

I'm your host, Sean McDowell, Professor of Christian Apologetics. And I'm your co-host, Scott Ray,

Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics.

Today we've got a topic, dear and near to my heart,

as an apologist.

We're going to talk with Mark Lanier, who is a he's been dubbed by the National Law Journal as a

superstar among plaintiffs lawyers. He's an acclaimed trial lawyer has been been on Fox News, and a host CNNBC Squack Box, teaches classes at

Stanford and other universities. He's written a fascinating new book called Atheism on Trial, which we're going to jump into.

But Mark, I know you're a super busy guy.

Thanks for carving out some time to talk to us about your new book that just released.

Well, thank you all you do to defend the faith in intellectual ways that don't bypass our minds,

but take into account the totality of experience and people.

So it's my honor to get to be on your podcast.

Well, amen to that. I really got the sense in the book that you are arguing as a lawyer, which is an intellectual pursuit,

but you care about the heart and you care about people and didn't want to set up any straw man along the way.

So maybe before we jump into some of the case that you make challenging atheism, I'd love to just hear about really practically how

your training as a lawyer has shaped the way you think and how you approach

religious questions such as the existence of God.

Before I became a lawyer, I trained to be a biblical language scholar.

So my undergraduate degree is in Hebrew and Greek,

and I sidelined it also with a preaching degree.

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