And the Duggled hi and welcome aboard.

Good to be here Gordon.

Yes, absolutely, absolutely. I'm really looking forward to having this discussion. I'm trialing something ultra new and a bit too annoyingly trendy at the moment when I introduce guests. and what I do is I ask chat

gPT for their biography and I don't know if you've chat gPT yourself but it

hasn't got any of the new information because as it will free it'll tell you like I don't know anything that happened after 2021 boy do I have some excited news for chat gp. But I'm going to give this a shot. I think this is pretty good.

All right?

So, Dugalheim is a British writer,

social entrepreneur, and thinker known for co-founding

various interdisciplinary organizations and initiatives, born in Scotland and later moving to England, Hein studied

the University of Cambridge where he earned a degree in social and political

sciences. He began his career in journalism working for publications such as The Times and the BBC.

In 2009, he and Paul King's North co-founded The Dark Mountain Project,

a cultural and artistic movement examining the implications of current ecological and social crises.

This project grew into a global network of writers, artists and thinkers challenging prevailing

cultural narratives about progress and human centrality. That's pretty good for an AI. I'm not going to lie.

I'm just say from about three thousand and nine onwards it's pretty on the floor.

So nothing about where you laid up some stuff before.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, well, correct, correct the robot for us.

This is sort of what we're talking about.

Oh, well, I grew up in the, in the northeast of England, but I do have some Scottish ancestry, so that's where that bit comes from.

I don't think I ever wrote anything for the Times, but I was a BBC journalist for a short period of time before I realized that I did not want to spend the rest of my life in that way of telling stories and so I went looking for some other ways of doing that and you know

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