Hello and welcome to All Out in the Open. This week we have an all together episode where Liz and Michael interview people about how to build community and their sphere of influence.

And they brought on to very exciting guests. They have Cynthia Winward and Susan Hinckley, who are the host of the Alash She Said It podcast. These women are incredible.

They're so good at building community, especially in kind of precarious religious spaces. And there's so much to learn from them.

We really hope you enjoyed this episode.

Welcome to another episode of All Out in the Open. Here with Michael today, and we are so excited and lucky to have Susan and Cynthia from at last she said it here to join us.

Thank you, ladies.

Totally our pleasure.

Our pleasure indeed.

So for those who live under a rock as far as I'm concerned and don't know about their podcast.

It has been such a great thing for me to listen to. And I know so many of my friends

and people who are like-minded who just love listening to them saying at last a lot of things

that haven't been said or need to be said out loud.

And they just came out with a book.

And we're going to talk about that a little bit.

We're going to talk about Michael and I's episodes, focus on community building and bridge building.

And so we're going to kind of tie all that together today.

We're really excited for this discussion.

I'm just going to read for a minute from the About the authors from your book,

and then we can let you tell us a little bit.

So Susan Hinkley is a storyteller in words and pictures,

a longtime exhibitor with the American

Craft Council, her art is held in private collections across the United States. She writes and

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