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Welcome one and all to Series 3, episode 4 of At Home.

You can get it if you really want. four of that home. I'm off to visit one of my all-time heroes, one of the

greatest rugby league players of all time, Ellery Hanley. A great Britain captain, a three time,

try and try, try and try

you succeed at last.

A Great Britain Captain, a three-time man of steel, the Lance Todd Trophy, the Golden Boot, and too many

honors to mention, but a mystery of sorts. From an early age, Ellery shunned the media limelight,

and even today, almost every interview you'll find with him, it won't tell you much about

the man himself. So let me mark your card.

This at home is the dictionary definition of a slow burner.

Then about 15 minutes in, boom, everything changes.

I can't pinpoint why but we kind of clicked and I got the

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