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Hello, welcome to another episode of the Weeds on the Box Media Podcast Network.

I'm Matthew Glacias here with Ian Milhizer, ProPublica's Dara Lind. I feel like there's

a biannual ritual now in which there is a surge of activity at the border and some form

of crisis. And we are now, once again, in that Joe Biden is now president of the United

States. So we are back to, I would say, the Obama era political paradigm in which you have

both complaints about inhumane treatment and also complaints that efforts to be humane

are, in fact, causing the surge of people. But we've got a great, this is a great group

because there are many legal as well as immigration specific issues here. And conveniently,

Secretary of Homeland Security issued a big new memo this morning, right before we started

recording, trying to clarify, I suppose, what the actual US policy is here. So, Dara, can

you explain like, what is the, I mean, what is the actual US policy toward people coming

at the border?

Sure. So yeah, I am not super thrilled that Secretary of Homeland Security, Eli, my

Erkis is trying to like supersede mine, everybody else's jobs and actually like laying out, you

know, here's what's going on at the border right now. But given that the kind of rhetoric

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