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The Documentary Podcast

Assignment: A slogan and a land, part two

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Society & Culture, Documentary

4.32.7K Ratings

🗓️ 17 July 2024

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In this second part of his journey from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea, across the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Israel, reporter Tim Whewell continues his exploration of the physical and human reality behind the slogan “From the River to the Sea”, a phrase which creates intense controversy. Tim descends from the high ridge of the West Bank hills to the Israeli Mediterranean coast at Herzlia, known for its beaches and high-tech industry – and then continues along the sea, to end his journey at the ruined ancient city of Caesarea. He encounters a Palestinian dry stone waller, an Israeli hairdresser, and then, crossing into Israel, he talks to Jewish Israelis including teachers, activists and a journalist – and to Palestinian citizens of Israel. What future do all these people hope for?

This programme was edited on 19th July 2024.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Tim Huell. Welcome to the documentary from the BBC World Service and a two-part

0:06.7

journey to explore a slogan and a land. The hardest thing always to find the right stone and if you don't you just have

0:20.3

to find the closest stone and shape it and use the chisel and hammer.

0:26.0

So the dry stone wall will last for 500 years minimum.

0:32.0

That's what we hope. Yeah, it's always to listen to the stone. Sometimes the stones will talk and tell you where that stone should be. I believe that.

0:47.0

So that stone will sing for them.

0:50.0

My name is Salih Tothah and you're here at Masjajudur,

0:55.8

Roots Arboretum.

0:57.8

Judur means roots.

0:59.8

Why we named it roots?

1:00.9

Because the Palestinians need to go back to their roots to learn from their ancestors.

1:06.5

I just want, because it's radio, I just want to exactly describe, we're on a hillside,

1:12.1

just outside Ramaala and the whole of the West Bank I mean it's

1:17.8

quite how hilly it is all the agriculture effectively is on terraces and when you say a terrace you mean a

1:26.0

drystone wall. Drystone walls kind of shape everything. It's this kind of grey limestone.

1:33.4

Mostly it's limestone.

1:35.4

What a beautiful rustic start to this, the second half of a journey I'm making from the

1:41.0

River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea. Between two bodies of water,

1:45.9

the first, frankly, pathetic, the second magnificent, that are referred to in a certain slogan that's been heard ever louder since the beginning of

1:54.9

the war in Gaza. Here about 550 meters above sea level, 37 kilometers from the

2:01.2

river, 41 kilometers to the sea, the birds are singing and...

2:05.2

Ah, what a lovely smell.

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