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The Tikvah Podcast

Assaf Orion on Israel's Initial Air Campaign in Gaza

The Tikvah Podcast

Tikvah

Judaism, Politics, Religion & Spirituality, News

4.6620 Ratings

🗓️ 16 November 2023

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

After the Hamas massacre of October 7, the Israeli military took three weeks before it responded with a ground invasion of Gaza, a span longer than most outside observers seemed to expect. What was happening? In that time, Israel’s air force was softening the ground for that incursion, and giving Palestinian civilians time to vacate the battlefield.

Assaf Orion, a retired IDF brigadier general and defense strategist, joins Mosaic editor Jonathan Silver this week to explain how Israel staged its air campaign, why it would help the ground phase, whether the air force's objectives were met, how bombs and missiles can penetrate subterranean targets, and how hostage fatalities could be avoided. Their conversation amounts to a preliminary retrospective on the earliest phase in Israel’s response.

Musical selections in this podcast are drawn from the Quintet for Clarinet and Strings, op. 31a, composed by Paul Ben-Haim and performed by the ARC Ensemble.

Transcript

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On the morning of October 7th, just about two hours from the time that Muhammad

0:12.0

Dyev inaugurated Operation Al-Axa flood, in which Hamas soldiers invaded Israeli territory,

0:18.3

killed, tortured, and abused Israeli civilians, and seized Israeli

0:22.2

hostages. Just about two hours from that time, Israel declared a state of alert for war,

0:27.4

and about two hours after that, the Israeli Air Force began attacking military targets in Gaza.

0:33.8

A large-scale Israeli ground invasion would not take place until October 28th, some three weeks later.

0:40.7

In those three weeks, we were told that Israel's Air Force was softening the ground for the incursion of ground forces

0:47.8

and giving Palestinian civilians time to vacate the battlefield.

0:52.3

So now we can ask, what happened during those three weeks?

0:55.9

Welcome to the Tikva podcast. I'm your host, Jonathan Silver. My guest this week is the retired

1:00.9

IDF Brigadier General and Defense Strategist, somebody with enormous experience in military planning,

1:07.1

the Liz and Moni Raouven International Fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy,

1:12.7

Asaf Orione. I wanted to understand how Israel staged the air campaign, how it would help the next

1:19.5

phase featuring troops on the ground. What were the Air Force objectives? Were they met?

1:24.9

How did bombs and missiles penetrate subterranean targets,

1:28.6

Hamas' famous underground infrastructure, and how could they avoid hostage fatalities?

1:34.1

This week, we hear a preliminary retrospective on this early phase in Israel's campaign to

1:40.1

destroy Hamas, liberate Gaza, return hostages, and recover a measure of safety

1:45.3

for its civilians.

1:47.1

If you enjoy this conversation,

1:48.9

you can subscribe to the Tikva podcast

1:50.6

on Apple Podcasts,

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