Hey, everybody. It's Gary Vay, nerd shock. And this is episode three, ten of the ask Gary

V. Shell. And literally before Jesse and I just went on air, well, we're live. So you

guys heard it. But before this podcast, we're literally talking about the steroids era

of baseball hearings in Congress, which is I'm actually going to go consume that content,

which I rarely do. It's well, it's well done. Just want to tell the

Vayner Nation who you are and what you do. I'm Dessie Dunei and I run a company called

Limey and we do packaging for e-commerce friends, helping e-commerce friends design their

unboxing experience and source and manage all the stuff they need to get it shipped out

the door. And obviously if you're watching this and not listening to it, you see a huge

the outer packaging of empathy. We're going to do an unboxing and IGTV after this show.

We are such proud users of your wonderful company at EmpathyWines. EmpathyWines.com order

now and have really enjoyed that experience and just from a visual has been remarkable.

Let's take a step back. How did you get into this business?

Well, I started my first business when I was 16 and went to school for industrial design

later on. So I've always basically been into how I could grow a little kid. And then

your formal education was industrial design. My formal education is still as a process.

I went to three years of high school. I didn't go into college. My parents were stoked

about that until I dropped out of that experience as well. But did go to college?

Because they wanted you to. They were like, this seems important to you. And from the Midwest,

it was kind of like you should do that. It was too rough. So I did go to college.

Do you believe that your parents today would have a different perspective?

Not really. I definitely do. So real quick and I apologize for interrupting, but this is

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