Hello, hello everyone, gather around.

Malcolm Gladwell here.

If you're a fan of my show, Revisionist History, then you know my deep and abiding obsession

with American higher education.

How it's broken, how it can be fixed.

Over our next couple of episodes, we dive into this topic again.

And as you will hear, one story makes me really angry.

And the other gives me hope.

Listen to Revisionist History wherever you get your podcasts.

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Yes, thank you so much for coming out to the podcast.

If you've listened to the last few episodes of The Happiness Lab, you know that I've been

trying to get out of my tiny apartment podcast closet and into the real world so that I

can meet listeners just like you.

And to do that, I've been hosting a series of Happiness Lab live shows recorded in front

of live audiences.

Today's episode comes from the 30th anniversary Hot Docs Festival in Toronto.

At the event, I got to chat with someone you've met on the show before, best-selling author

and fellow podcaster Gretchen Rubin.

Hello.

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