Just to add that up, y'all, you're following episode

containing some salty language, so buckle up for some cousin.

It was good, y'all. You're listening to Coatswitch from MPR.

I'm Gene Demby.

And let me tell you about this listener,

named Renee, that I met one day.

So Renee Hidalgo told me the first time he realized

that people might not see him as white

was when he was in the first grade.

It was around 1991, and he and his boy,

were talking about vanilla ice of all people.

For whatever reason, vanilla ice really appealed towards

like 10-year-olds because it was in the Ninja Turtles movie.

And somebody was like, oh, it's like,

oh wow, this is white wrapper.

That's nobody's ever seen that before.

And my friend, Shane, was like, you know, I don't think

he's white.

And I was like, what are you talking about?

And he's like, no, I think he's like Puerto Rican

or something like you.

And I was like, wait, but I am white.

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