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Imaginary Worlds

Asian Futures Without Asians

Imaginary Worlds

Eric Molinsky

Fiction, Arts, Society & Culture, Science Fiction

4.82.2K Ratings

🗓️ 3 March 2022

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

It’s a future we’re all very familiar with. The rainy streets are full of neon dragons, noodle shops, and other Asian iconography mixed up and decontextualized amid sci-fi flourishes, but something is often missing: Asian people. In her video presentation “Asian futures, without Asians,” the artist and writer Astria Suparak breaks down dozens of films and TV shows, showing that there’s a shadow genre across different sci-fi franchises which presents a future that taps into old anti-Asian stereotypes at subtle levels of designing sets, costumes and even props. I also talk with University of Utah Professor David S. Roh about his book Techno-Orientalism, which looks at the psychology behind these kinds of futures, and what they have to say about current day anxieties in America. And Jason Concepcion, host of the podcast X-Ray Vision, discusses how he tries to engage with these types of worlds as a fan and as an Asian American. This episode is sponsored by Inked Gaming. Our ad partner is Multitude. If you’re interested in advertising on Imaginary Worlds, you can contact them here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Slack.com slash DHQ. You're listening to Imaginary Worlds, a show about how we create them

0:32.9

and why we suspend our disbelief. I'm Eric Malinsky. Part of what makes up a genre,

0:40.1

like science fiction or fantasy, is that certain tropes are repeated, and as a fan, it's

0:45.1

fun to recognize tropes when they come up and appreciate how they've been adapted.

0:50.9

But I recently learned about a genre within a genre that's been hiding in plain sight

0:57.5

or at least it was for me. I was invited to watch a presentation called Asian Futures

1:03.7

Without Asians by the artist Estria Superrac. Her talk looks at how science fiction often

1:10.5

depicts a future full of Asian iconography that's mixed up and taken out of context, but there

1:17.9

aren't many Asian people in these futures. And this is a talk that she's given in person

1:23.4

and virtually. In her presentation, it's been paired with exhibits at galleries and museums.

1:29.8

Now I expected her to cover obviously offensive things like flash Gordon Serials from the

1:35.6

1930s with Ming the Merciless. And that was there, but she really wanted to concentrate

1:41.1

on more recent history. And it was eye-opening for me because I had seen most of the movies

1:46.2

and shows that she referenced, but I was suddenly seeing them in a whole new light.

1:51.2

Apparently, a lot of people feel that way after seeing her presentation.

1:56.5

I mean, a lot of people say it's like being red-pilled in a way where suddenly the veil has

2:05.6

lifted and they see these tropes constantly. And people also say that people of Asian and

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