Huh. Hi and welcome to the working songwriter the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

on their process, on the general ups and downs

of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

unable to comprehend that record labels

stopped giving tour support to artists like 20 years ago,

or else a scrappy upstart unable to comprehend the idea that record

contracts used to never recoup anything. This is your show because ultimately it is what

every writer seeks most an ironclad excuse to put off actually

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