You're listening to, atheistically speaking. I'm and I'm

am your host Thomas Smith.

Joining me today is a guest who's been on a few times before James Lindsay.

You may have recently on this show heard him debating

social justice with Eli Bosnick that was a big big episode but I want to let you know this

recording is fantastic it's on a different subject. So I know that was a heated debate.

Lots of people very vigorously on either side. I just want to let you know that regardless of that I would encourage you to very much listen to

this episode through to the end because we talk about some stuff that applies to

all of us as humans, as atheists.

It's a really good discussion.

So I hope you'll listen and don't be turned off

in case you were, I don't know, on either side of that debate

and are thinking it's more of that it's not for today.

We do talk a little about Trump because when we recorded this it had just happened and it was

just really impossible for us not to talk about it.

So we did that for a little bit and then we talk about the main subject

for this recording.

So with that little summary done, let's get right over to my now is James Lindsay back for, oh man, third, fourth time, something like that.

How you doing, James?

I'm good and I don't know if it's third or fourth either because that last one counted for like a hundred so I'm glad to be back.

Was the last one you did the social justice debate or did I have you since then I can't remember?

It was it was the debate with Eli at the end of April. Yeah, that was that was very I'm still very

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