You're listening to, atheistically speaking. The Hello and welcome to atheistically speaking this is episode 244 and I'm your host Thomas Smith.

All right, it's what you've been waiting for.

It's part two with Dr. Sean Carroll.

And in it, we get to finally find out what on earth William Lane Craig

is talking about with his Borde a Guth Valencan theorem so if you've ever

wondered why on earth he talks about that so much, you're

about to the Internet. I wonder if I could ask you one of my one of the best contributions to the

internet at all is your debate with William Lane Craig I love it I've watched it

probably three times do you mind if I ask you some questions about that? Well, okay, let me just say,

what is William Lane Craig's obsession with Board Booth Valankin? He says it it more to, 20 times a debate. Board Guth Valencin theorem. What, what is he, can you go into that? Does he have a

misapprehension of what that is? Maybe you could explain it a little bit, and how he's misapplying

it or if, maybe he's not, I don't know.

Well, it's a little bit unclear because he doesn't always say precisely the same words when he brings it up.

You know, he certainly wants to leave you with the impression

that there is a theorem that says the universe had a beginning.

And he is smart enough to know that the Bordeaux-Guthful-Lanken theorem does not say that.

So he's usually careful enough not to say exactly those words,

but he certainly says words that would lead you to believe

that that is what is going on. The Board of Guuthful Lincoln makes some assumptions and those assumptions

might not be true in the real world.

In fact, strictly speaking, there's almost no chance that they are true in the real world

because it's a statement about classical space time and the real world obeys the rules of

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