You're listening to, atheistically speaking. Oh, Hello and welcome to atheistically speaking. This is episode 199 and I'm your

host Thomas Smith almost 200. There you go 200 is going to be celebrated by

doing some commentary on this debate because it was very interesting.

We're going to have part two here with Tyler Vela, debate on abortion, debate slash discussion, and well let's just see what happens here in part two. Right, talking about sperm and abstract of potential humans is a completely different category

than talking about a human, right?

So, you know, I could, I So, you know, a woman could smoke and drink and do all that kind of stuff

and never become pregnant.

There's, you know, she's setting up a potential where a potential human, you know,

might be harmed if they come into that situation, but that's different

than causing harm to an actual human.

So it doesn't, I mean it doesn't rely on the personhood aspect of it but really we're talking

about direct harm to a human with a future like mine as opposed to causing

future harm to a human.

So that's going to be the salient difference.

Yeah, and it's an interesting conundrum, but I think the real issue is that you're not,

when you kill something that we're you're so I wanted I thought you

were still relying on the personhood and I thought you were trying to avoid that

so if we're both agreed that it's not a person, you're not doing any harm when you kill the fetus.

You're just not.

I mean, you're not doing any harm to a person.

So, right, so then, then why, when you smoke?

Why is it more very

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