You're listening to, atheistically speaking. Oh, Hello and welcome to episode 176 of atheistically speaking. I'm your host Thomas Smith.

Well we've got a lot a lot more debate for you here so I'm just gonna get right

into it because it's already gonna be long enough as it is.

So I appreciate you listening and supporting me at Patreon.com slash atheist and that's it for me.

I'll turn you over to me well the debate me it's two different

me okay sorry I have maybe a quick one for Rob here. Let me see if this works when I select it. Can you

guys see that? I can't. Okay if it didn't pop up I will go ahead and read it. God interve and this is from

Charlie Baker. God interfering with our free will and he's quoting Exodus the

when the Lord hardens Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to

Moses and Aaron just as the Lord had said to Moses so what would your response to

that be Rob where it looks like in the Bible and I know again we were more talking about

theism and not Christianity but given that you subscribe and you mentioned the Bible

and that you subscribe to Christianity what would you say to that quote if you don't mind?

Yeah, that's a fair question and what's important is that that particular issue in

Exodus 9 backs up a little bit further as we see God giving Pharaoh time and time again

chances to turn the people over and after each plague was another question posed and so on and this is

actually brought up in Romans nine as well this is God hardened Pharaoh's heart but I

think again if we again and I do adopt this idea of Mullenism that based on all of the things that God knew

Pharaoh would do that he hardened his heart based on what Pharaoh had done.

So I think it's both based on how God had ordered the world, but it's also based on what

Pharaoh did and would have continued to do.

I think you probably described it by context a little bit but I was really trying hard not to interrupt you guys as flow because it was really good but I did want to wonder for people

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