You're listening to, atheistically speaking. Oh, Hello and welcome to episode 160 of atheistically speaking I'm your host Thomas Smith

all right today we're going to be continuing the interview with Ishmael.

But I do want to give a very minor kind of introduction

to this segment.

This was recorded a couple weeks back maybe.

I don't know.

I don't remember exactly when but at the time a

particular Twitter exchange I had was fresh in my mind and I reacted very off the cuff with Ishmael and I don't think I said anything that I

regret saying or anything but I think I will give a bit of an update on that after the interview is

over so stay tuned for that but in the meantime here's part two with Ismail. Well, let me just back up a tiny bit and get a clearer picture.

Did you, so did you end up... back up a tiny bit and get a clearer picture.

Did you, so did you end up meeting with a meetup group at all or was it just exchanges

emails that kind of turned you off?

Because I know when I tried it I did an episode you might remember about it and it was it was an odd group so I

I have a bad experience not bad but like just a weird experience with local meet-up groups.

So I don't know, yeah, go ahead.

I did do the meet-up and it was just like a lot of older people

I didn't kind of relate to, but it was fine.

I'm wondering if there was just somebody with an older antiquated view on race.

Exactly, yeah.

The guy I found out was like in his 50s.

I mean, Jesus, that that made that sounds so negative to

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